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I guess it didn't work when I replied to the message...???     here it goes - a cut and paste from the new website:          I'm very excited to be meeting all the So. Cal members, although I'm very shy and a little nervous. Can't wait!  Peggy Delgado  p.s.....testing this on the new site.....I really like it and have posted some files and pix.... So I guess this doesn't work like the Yahoo/Ranchos thing were a notification goes out about new files being posted?  edit | reply »     \n \t<hr size=1> Yahoo! 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Some people will not be able to attend after all, so there \nis still room.  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A \nfew people have dropped out, so if you're still interested, please let \nme know ASAP by emailing me at rosalindamruiz@... .  \n\nThe location is Rowland Heights.  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I have not used \nthe 4.0.4 so I am not sure what charting and reporting capabilities \nthere are, but I know that there are a few members that use both the \nEnglish and Spanish language version much in the way that you are \nenvisioning.\n> \n> As far as conversion, I don't think you really need to…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"Civil–>Mid1800’sBirth-Marriage/ChurchEarlierBaptism-Marriage","id":10809,"title":"Civil-->Mid1800'sBirth-Marriage/ChurchEarlierBaptism-Marriage","slug":"civil-gt-mid1800sbirth-marriage-churchearlierbaptism-marriage","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T22:21:44.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T22:21:44.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T22:21:44.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Kim Raine wrote:\n\nThank you so much for this information.  I am not quite \nclear on one thing – the Catholic churches should have \nbirth records from the 1700’s? \n Not birth records* (they would be civil records and not for that far \nback), but you can find baptism records, marriage records, death records \nand some misc. others going back into the 1700’s depending on the \nspecific area you are researching. some of the areas are poorly recorded \nwhile others have magnificient records going back to the early 1700’s \nand even farther back. \n \n *well in a sense they were birth records in that they usually listed \nwhen the child was born “de tres dias nacido OR .nacido el veinte dos \ndel mes corriente.” So these baptism records listed the date of the \nbaptism and gave the day the child was born (usually). \n \njoseph","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] CONVERTING PAF/ENGLISH TO PAF/SPANISH","id":10800,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] CONVERTING PAF/ENGLISH TO PAF/SPANISH","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-converting-paf-english-to-paf-spanish","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T20:31:49.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T20:31:49.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T20:31:49.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Yolanda:\n\nI don't really know why, but PAF is available in Spanish in only Version 4.0.4, whereas the latest version is 5.2.18.  I have not used the 4.0.4 so I am not sure what charting and reporting capabilities there are, but I know that there are a few members that use both the English and Spanish language version much in the way that you are envisioning.\n\nAs far as conversion, I don't think you really need to worry about it.  You can just open up the PAF file that you have created in the English Version of the software in the Spanish Version.\n\n-Arturo\n-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- \nNuestros Ranchos General Mailing List\n\nTo post, send email to:\ngeneral@...\n\nTo change your subscription, log on to:\nhttp://www.nuestrosranchos.com","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"CONVERTING  PAF/ENGLISH   TO    PAF/SPANISH","id":10756,"title":"CONVERTING  PAF/ENGLISH   TO    PAF/SPANISH","slug":"converting-paf-english-to-paf-spanish","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T18:48:39.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T18:48:39.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T18:48:39.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"First of all THANKS  to all who responded to my question about using \nDE in a surname...  I'm sure other members new to genealogy as well as \nthose more seasoned in this "obsession" continue to learn from other \nmembers. KUDOS.. TO THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO \nSHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES.   \n I recently attended a genealogy meeting where they mentioned that \nthere was a PAF program in Spanish and I was wondering if I could \nconvert my Paf/english to PAF/spanish. If this were possible it would \nmake it possible to give family reports to our family members that do \nnot read English. 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That side of the family continued to stress that "De" was part of the name. Well, we researchers know a different story.   Over the weekend, I was given an exact birth date in 1873, and was finally able to pull up a record which listed the child as "Ortiz", and the father as "Ortiz de Rosas" however, I am still unable to pull up only "Ortiz de Rosas".  Is this fun or what???  Helyn    \n \t<hr size=1> Yahoo! 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I have not\nfound any link to mine yet, but one day I may.\nKim\n\n\nOn Mon, February 20, 2006 12:19 pm, Alberto Duarte said:\n>     Not only did they go to alto California, but they also\n>  went to new Mexico.\n>\n>  Alberto Duarte","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Boronda","id":10770,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Boronda","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-boronda","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T15:12:16.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T15:12:16.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T15:12:16.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Thank you so much for this information.  I am not quite\nclear on one thing -- the Catholic churches *should* have\nbirth records from the 1700's?  In most countries with\nwhich I have experience, even after civil registry, the\nchurch kept records.  Is this true in Mexico?\nKim\n\n\nOn Fri, February 17, 2006 2:47 pm, arturoramos2 said:\n>  The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New\n> Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s\n> when a secular civil registry was established and even\n> then, it took some communities a while before they\n> started complying with the government's decrees that all\n> births and marriages had to be registered through civil\n> authorities.","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":""Aya en los Nuestros Ranchos"/Volunteer’s Needed","id":10736,"title":""Aya en los Nuestros Ranchos"/Volunteer's Needed","slug":"quot-aya-en-los-nuestros-ranchos-quot-volunteers-needed","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T07:44:05.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T07:44:05.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T07:44:05.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Okay the new\n"Nuestros Ranchos"\nwebsite is ready for Beta Testing and we're looking for a few volunteers \nOur resident\nwebmaster guru\nextraordinaire, Arturo Ramos has put forth a tremendous amount of work\nin\ngetting the website designed and built. He truly is a one man show and\nI'm sure\nyou will like and appreciate his hard work that will benefit the long\nterm\nexistence of the Ranchos group. Without this effort I truly believe the\nRanchos\ngroup would have dissolved in a few years, but now I see the\npossibility that\nthe children of some of the members might be able to take the reigns\none day.  \nhere is the\nwebsite's URL: \nhttp://NuestrosRanchos.com \nHave a look\naround and if you would like\nto volunteer to test the site, please follow the instructions that are\nposted\non the website.  [NOTE: this group is meant to eventually be a\nreplacement\nfor the Yahoo Groups Ranchos/Ranchos2. having said that I understand\nthat any\ntime you introduce something new there needs to be a certain amount of…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","id":10725,"title":"Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","slug":"solicitation-for-assistance-for-totatiche-historian-genealogist","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T05:17:35.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T05:17:35.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T05:17:35.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"For anybody who would like to donate, please send the money to my \nattention.  If you would like to send a personal check, please send it \nmy name, and I will have my father deliver it in cash or a single \ncombined money order.  There are no banks in Totatiche and therefore \ndealing in personal checks can be troublesome.  I will of course obtain \na receipt for your donation.\n\nIf you do not feel comfortable doing this, please obtain a postal money \norder in the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar, as some of the shops in \ntown exchange money orders.\n\nMy mailing address is:\n\nArturo Ramos\n1225 13th Street NW Apt 412\nWashington DC 20005","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for   Totatiche\tHistorian/Genealogist","id":10749,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for   Totatiche\tHistorian/Genealogist","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-solicitation-for-assistance-for-totatiche-historian-genealogist","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T04:47:13.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T04:47:13.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T04:47:13.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Arturo--\n \nYou can count me in for a contribution.  Just let me know the details.  \n \nRosalinda   -----Original Message-----  From: arturoramos2  Sent: Feb 20, 2006 1:19 PM  To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.com  Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist    Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.  He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.  He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to g…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","id":10793,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-solicitation-for-assistance-for-totatiche-historian-genealogist","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-21T04:28:06.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-21T04:28:06.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-21T04:28:06.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"I’ll be glad to send a donation as well.  Marge Vallazza:)  \nOn Feb 20, 2006, at 3:19 PM, arturoramos2 wrote:  \n  \n Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche. \n \n He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak. \n \n He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation do…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for   Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","id":10758,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for   Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-solicitation-for-assistance-for-totatiche-historian-genealogist","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-20T23:45:08.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-20T23:45:08.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-20T23:45:08.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"yes thanks so much for bring this up again. I want to donate as well. \nGive us an address to send off the funds.  \n  \njoseph  \n  \nArturo ROMERO wrote:  \n\n   \nArturo,\n   \n               where can I send a donation for this project?\n   \n   \n   \n  Arturo Romero \n  arturoramos2  wrote:\n   \nLast month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar,\n"cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a\nnumber of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish\na second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a\nnew book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche. \n     \nHe has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only\nhistorian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan\nfrom the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we\nspeak. \n     \nHe is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish\nthese works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] To add or not to add "DE" in a surname?","id":10735,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] To add or not to add "DE" in a surname?","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-20T22:37:45.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-20T22:37:45.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-20T22:37:45.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"arturoramos2,\n\nThursday, February 16, 2006, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote:\n\n> Yolanda:\n\n> I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that\n> you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation\n> that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a\n> seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or\n> sort by surname these are not taken into account.\n\n> When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the\n> same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the\n> letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.\n\n> I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a\n\nYolanda:\n  I use The Master Genealogist, which when customized also allows\n  entering the "pre-surname" in a separate field that isn't considered\n  when the names are sorted. Thus, de la Cruz and Cruz sort together.\n  I would normally say that you should enter the names as you find\n  them, but the trouble is, the same name is often (usually) fo…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","id":10795,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-solicitation-for-assistance-for-totatiche-historian-genealogist","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-20T22:02:55.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-20T22:02:55.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-20T22:02:55.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Arturo,                  where can I send a donation for this project?           Arturo Romero arturoramos2  wrote:   Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.  He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those\n filmed as we speak.  He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche  \tHistorian/Genealogist","id":10798,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche  \tHistorian/Genealogist","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-solicitation-for-assistance-for-totatiche-historian-genealogist","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-20T21:19:49.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-20T21:19:49.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-20T21:19:49.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.\n\nHe has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.\n\nHe is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with them.  Please let me know if you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount.  I will make the donation…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"Surnames and use of "De"","id":10755,"title":"Surnames and use of "De"","slug":"surnames-and-use-of-quot-de-quot","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-20T17:27:50.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-20T17:27:50.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-20T17:27:50.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Good information.  \n\nI have one also, what about the last name Garcia de la\nCadena-some of my relatives went with Garcia and\nothers went with Cadena (which I'm having a problem\nfinding).  Can anyone from Zacatecas Jerez help me\nwith this one?\n\nAlberto Duarte\n\n--- Erlinda Castanon-Long \nwrote:\n\n> Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What\n> I'm sharing may \n> sound very trying but I must tell you the longer you\n> do genealogy \n> the more satisfaction you get when you work long and\n> hard and your \n> family is reclaimed after going through many\n> records. I found a \n> record I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my\n> Gutierrez family \n> from 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other\n> times I can \n> thank another person who's shared their information\n> and records that \n> opened a door for me. My husband had done the\n> records for his family \n> back to 1854 and found someone else online through\n> Familysearch.com \n> who'd done that line back to mid 1500's and was more\n> than …","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Boronda","id":10794,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Boronda","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-boronda","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-20T17:19:36.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-20T17:19:36.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-20T17:19:36.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Not only did they go to alto California, but they also\nwent to new Mexico.  \n\nAlberto Duarte\n\n--- arturoramos2  wrote:\n\n> \n> In response to your question:\n> \n> It is my understanding that vital records in\n> Zacatecas\n> were burned in the revolution, but what about the\n> Catholic\n> church records -- does anyone know if they were\n> kept?\n> \n> The Catholic Church records were the vital records\n> in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the\n> late 1800s when a secular civil registry was\n> established and even then, it took some communities\n> a while before they started complying with the\n> government's decrees that all births and marriages\n> had to be registered through civil authorities.\n> \n> There appears to be a couple of Borondas around\n> Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates\n> for being relatives of your ancestor.  It is my\n> understading that many of the Alta California\n> pioneers in that time period were from the frontier\n> provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahu…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] To add or not to add "DE" in a surname?","id":10806,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] To add or not to add "DE" in a surname?","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-18T03:09:44.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-18T03:09:44.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-18T03:09:44.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:30:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, \nwindrocklili@... writes:\n\n  DE AVILA... DE BUGARIN.... DE CAMPOS... DE CASAS... \n  \n  DE LA GARZA... DE HARO... DE HERRERA... DEL \n  VALLE...\n  DEL REAL... DEL MURO... DE YNIGUES... DE LUNA... DE \n  RIOS\n\nYolanda, what area are you looking at??? I have some family surnames \n(Bugarin, Herrera, Ynigues, Luna).  If it is Tlaltenango, check out what I \nsubmitted in the files.\nEsperanza","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Boronda","id":10792,"title":"[Nuestros Ranchos] Boronda","slug":"nuestros-ranchos-boronda","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-17T19:47:57.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-17T19:47:57.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-17T19:47:57.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"In response to your question:\n\nIt is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas\nwere burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic\nchurch records -- does anyone know if they were kept?\n\nThe Catholic Church records were the vital records in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s when a secular civil registry was established and even then, it took some communities a while before they started complying with the government's decrees that all births and marriages had to be registered through civil authorities.\n\nThere appears to be a couple of Borondas around Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates for being relatives of your ancestor.  It is my understading that many of the Alta California pioneers in that time period were from the frontier provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, etc.)\n\nFRANCISCO XAVIER BORONDA  \n  Male   Family \nParents: \n  Father:  JOSEPH BORONDA  Family \n  Mother:  MARIA AVENDANO     \nMarriages: \n  Spouse:  SEBASTIANA ANTONI…","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"Surnames and use of "De"","id":10734,"title":"Surnames and use of "De"","slug":"surnames-and-use-of-quot-de-quot","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-17T18:32:06.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-17T18:32:06.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-17T18:32:06.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What I'm sharing may \nsound very trying but I must tell you the longer you do genealogy \nthe more satisfaction you get when you work long and hard and your \nfamily is reclaimed after going through many records. I found a \nrecord I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my Gutierrez family \nfrom 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other times I can \nthank another person who's shared their information and records that \nopened a door for me. My husband had done the records for his family \nback to 1854 and found someone else online through Familysearch.com \nwho'd done that line back to mid 1500's and was more than willing to \nshare including documentation.\n\nWhen I started reading records I would discard all names that were \nspelled differently... WRONG!!! I now know the families seldom even \nsaw the records and the people giving the information were not \nalways the people the records were about.  There were many times \nwhere the scribe put the …","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]},{"fancy_title":"New to Group/BORONDA","id":10780,"title":"New to Group/BORONDA","slug":"new-to-group-boronda","posts_count":1,"reply_count":0,"highest_post_number":1,"image_url":null,"created_at":"2006-02-17T18:21:43.000Z","last_posted_at":"2006-02-17T18:21:43.000Z","bumped":false,"bumped_at":"2006-02-17T18:21:43.000Z","archetype":"regular","unseen":false,"pinned":false,"unpinned":null,"excerpt":"Hello,\nI am new to the ranchos group.  My potential link to the\ntarget areas is my ancestor Jose(f) Manuel BORONDA.  It\nhas been said that he was born in Jerez, in Guadalajara,\nand in Spain.  So far there is no proof of any of this. \nHe would have been born about 1750.  It is documented that\nhe came to California in 1769.  He married Maria Gertrudis\nHIGUERA at Mission San Carlos in Monterey, California on\n23 January 1790. He was 40 at that time.\nI have learned that BORONDA is likely a Basque name and\nthat it has *numerous* spellings! There are very few,\nunder any spelling, that I can find in Aer or Argena III.\nThose that I find on LDS are in Basque Country.\nIt is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas\nwere burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic\nchurch records -- does anyone know if they were kept?\nMuchas gracias.\nKim Raine\nVermont","visible":true,"closed":false,"archived":false,"bookmarked":null,"liked":null,"tags":[],"tags_descriptions":{},"views":0,"like_count":0,"has_summary":false,"last_poster_username":"Nuestros_Ranchos","category_id":7,"op_like_count":0,"pinned_globally":false,"featured_link":null,"is_hot":false,"has_accepted_answer":false,"can_vote":false,"posters":[{"extras":"latest single","description":"Original Poster, Most Recent Poster","user_id":9046,"primary_group_id":null,"flair_group_id":null}]}]}}