# Historical Archives **URL:** https://hansolo.top/c/historical-archives/7.md?page=1 [Latest](https://hansolo.top/latest.md) · [Categories](https://hansolo.top/categories.md) · [Tags](https://hansolo.top/tags.md) **Page:** 2 --- ## [Digest Number 760](https://hansolo.top/t/digest-number-760/10739)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 17, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/digest-number-760/10739 "2006-02-17T13:55:34Z")
Bienvenue, Sandra, welcome to the group, Yes, we all find that often the women used many different last names. In the records for some of my ancestors in Zacatecas I find that a different last name for the mother was used almost for each child's baptism. This is because women used their mother's maiden names as well as their own, or they used their step-mother's maiden names if they had been raised by the step-mother. One time I found that they had entered the grandmother's name instead of the mother's. This may have happened because the mother and father stayed home and it was the padrinos who took the baby to be baptized and they didn't know the correct names. I have also found where men used their mother's maiden names instead of their father's last names. That could be because it was thought to be better to use the name of the espanoles (or rich grandparents) instead of the real father's name. My father was born in Jerez. His last name was Olague Tinajero… --- ## [Digest Number 760](https://hansolo.top/t/digest-number-760/10748)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 17, 2006, 8:26am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/digest-number-760/10748 "2006-02-17T08:26:01Z")
Hi, Thank you for the info, I have already saw this infor, but like you noticed, the name of the woman is different, thats why i didn't pay much attention on it. You say that that is not uncommon?, can you explain me a little bit? I've just started to search my genealogy and there are a lot of things that i haven' understand at all! Thank you § have a great day!! Monica ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. \[Nuestros Ranchos\] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa From: arturoramos 2. Re: New to the group From: Peggy Delgado \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:17:37 -0800 (PST) From: arturoramos Subject: \[Nuestros Ranchos\] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa Monica: There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are loo… --- ## [\[Nuestros Ranchos\] To add or not to add "DE" in a surname?](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestros-ranchos-to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname/10723)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 17, 2006, 4:30am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestros-ranchos-to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname/10723 "2006-02-17T04:30:26Z")
Arturo: I use Family Tree Maker and PAF . These are the lines I have with DE for our target areas: DE AVILA... DE BUGARIN.... DE CAMPOS... DE CASAS... DE LA GARZA... DE HARO... DE HERRERA... DEL VALLE... DEL REAL... DEL MURO... DE YNIGUES... DE LUNA... DE RIOS If you have any questions on any of these lines let me know. Y MUCHAS GRACIAS POR TU AYUDA. YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ arturoramos2 wrote: Yolanda: I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account. When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there. I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of contemporary name… --- ## [\[Nuestros Ranchos\] To add or not to add "DE" in a surname?](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestros-ranchos-to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname/10808)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 17, 2006, 3:53am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestros-ranchos-to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname/10808 "2006-02-17T03:53:26Z")
Yolanda: I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account. When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there. I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of contemporary names were once "DE" names such as Rios was "DE LOS RIOS" or "DEL RIO" and Torres was "DE LA TORRE", etc. so I would not enter such names simply as "TORRE". What software are you using? Other than ROBALCALVA, do you have any "DE" names such as those I mention above? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research@... To change your subscription, … --- ## [TO ADD OR NOT TO ADD "DE" IN A SURNAME?](https://hansolo.top/t/to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname/10741)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 17, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/to-add-or-not-to-add-quot-de-quot-in-a-surname/10741 "2006-02-17T00:58:05Z")
HOW DO RANCHOS MEMBERS HANDLE THIS, IT HAS BECOME A CONFUSING DILEMA FOR ME. I PUT IN ROBALCAVA AND FOR HIS DAUGHTER I FIND HER AS DE ROBALCAVA....I LATER CAN'T FIND HER UNTIL I REMEMBER TO LOOK UNDER "DE". I NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU EXPERIENCED GENEALOGISTS. MIXED-UP IN EL PASO YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ --- ## [Nuestra Familia Unida Update 02-16-2006](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestra-familia-unida-update-02-16-2006/10774)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 16, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestra-familia-unida-update-02-16-2006/10774 "2006-02-16T22:35:54Z")
its been awhile since i did a notice of what was new on the Nuestra Familia Unida Podcast. Here is a new feature that lists all audio on the site: http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/map.html Site Map American Revolution ===\> Len Pryor "French Only" ===\> Dr. Lila Guzman, PhD Comments Interviews ===\> "Cronista" Esteban Valdes de Totatiche, Jalisco ===\> Dr. Dona De Sanctis "Columbus" ===\> Mimi Lozano part 1 ===\> Mimi Lozano part 2 ===\> Gary Felix ===\> Rosalinda Ruiz ===\> Professor George Ryskamp Seminars ===\> Claire Prechtel-Kluskens "Getting Started" ===\> Claire Prechtel-Klusken "Mexican Border Crossing Records" ===\> George Ryskamp "Finding A Place" ===\> George Ryskamp "Archives" ===\> Richard Fusick "Public Land Records" Archaeology ===\> Archaeology Channel: Week of 05 February 06 ===\> Archaeology Channel: Week of 29 January 06 ===\> Archaeology Channel: Week of 22 January 06 ===\> Archaeology Channel: Week … --- ## [New to the group](https://hansolo.top/t/new-to-the-group/10766)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 16, 2006, 3:29am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/new-to-the-group/10766 "2006-02-16T03:29:25Z")
Hi Monica!! Welcome to the group! Peggy Delgado Mónica wrote: Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in Montpellier, France. I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas, this are the names: Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching. Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is true? Thank you, Monica http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html "\>Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --- ## [\[Nuestros Ranchos\] Juan De La Rosa and Narcisa](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestros-ranchos-juan-de-la-rosa-and-narcisa/10728)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 15, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/nuestros-ranchos-juan-de-la-rosa-and-narcisa/10728 "2006-02-15T23:17:37Z")
Monica: There are some interesting entries in the familysearch website for potential matches to the family you are looking for. The mother's surname does not match, but that is not as uncommon as you may think. JUAN DE LA ROSA Male Marriages: Spouse: NARCISA ACOSTA Family Marriage: 28 OCT 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M600825 1866 - 1875 0439842 Film ESTANISLAO ROZAS CALDERON Male Christening: 23 NOV 1874 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico Parents: Father: JUAN ROZAS Family Mother: NARCISA CALDERON Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C600824 1872 - 1875 0439823 Film ===================================== Message from Mónica mony7979@... Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in Montpellier, France. I've started my genealog… --- ## [New to the group](https://hansolo.top/t/new-to-the-group/10738)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 15, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/new-to-the-group/10738 "2006-02-15T18:38:27Z")
Welcome to the group Monica! --- Mónica wrote: \> \> Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently \> living in \> Montpellier, France. \> \> I've started my genealogical research and I have \> roots in Zacatecas, \> this are the names: \> \> Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was \> daugther of Juan \> de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from \> Fresnillo, Zacatecas \> I haven't found more information on dates, but I \> keep on researching. \> \> Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros \> surname comes \> from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones \> knows if this is \> true? \> \> Thank you, \> Monica \> \> \> \> \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- ## [New to the group](https://hansolo.top/t/new-to-the-group/10731)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 15, 2006, 11:20am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/new-to-the-group/10731 "2006-02-15T11:20:24Z")
Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in Montpellier, France. I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas, this are the names: Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching. Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is true? Thank you, Monica --- ## [Southern California meeting-- Important Reminder!](https://hansolo.top/t/southern-california-meeting-important-reminder/10765)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 12, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/southern-california-meeting-important-reminder/10765 "2006-02-12T17:30:54Z")
The RSVP deadline (the 15th) is looming for the first Southern California Ranchos Meeting. You still have an opportunity to respond-- and please do so. I want the meeting to be a great success. Some had responded months ago stating that they would like to attend, but I haven't heard from them since. Maybe you never mentioned that you would like to attend, but now you realize that February 25th is doable. Whatever your situation, please let me know at lareina2@... or rosalindamruiz@... if you plan to attend, so I can send you information and we can order food for you. As you know, the more people who come, the merrier, and I would love to meet you. Please don't be shy! As a reminder: February 25, 2006 11:30 a.m. Rowland Heights, CA Thanks, Rosalinda --- ## [ATTN: Charles Clark](https://hansolo.top/t/attn-charles-clark/10743)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 12, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/attn-charles-clark/10743 "2006-02-12T17:23:19Z")
I just want to let you know I have sent you an email about the Southern California meeting. Please let me know that you have received it. Rosalinda --- ## [African American Lives](https://hansolo.top/t/african-american-lives/10777)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 11, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/african-american-lives/10777 "2006-02-11T17:12:13Z")
This series was one of the best and most interesting I have ever seen. Would that it would happen to us Mexican Americans. Marge:) On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote: thanks Victor. . .I checked and its on tomorrow. Amazing. joseph v.h.villarreal wrote: Follow the links in this page: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/index.html Yahoo! Groups Links \<\*\> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/ \<\*\> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com \<\*\> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- --- ## [African American Lives](https://hansolo.top/t/african-american-lives/10787)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 11, 2006, 8:53am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/african-american-lives/10787 "2006-02-11T08:53:32Z")
thanks Victor. . .I checked and its on tomorrow. Amazing. joseph v.h.villarreal wrote: Follow the links in this page: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/index.html Yahoo! Groups Links \<\*\> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/ \<\*\> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com \<\*\> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- --- ## [African American Lives](https://hansolo.top/t/african-american-lives/10796)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 11, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/african-american-lives/10796 "2006-02-11T00:55:59Z")
Follow the links in this page: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/index.html --- ## [DNA testing advances](https://hansolo.top/t/dna-testing-advances/10750)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 11, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/dna-testing-advances/10750 "2006-02-11T00:34:33Z")
Joseph, The show is called African American Lives and it will be shown again on February 12 at 1:00 am PST. Most of their programs are available on video from their PBS.org store. Our local PBS channel 9 in my area has a store in Seattle. Emilie ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Puentes To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Re: \[ranchos\] DNA testing advances there is a DNA testing that they say can tell you what part of Africa you came from. . .I don't know to much about it other than what they claim: \http://africanancestry.com/ if you find out when that show will be on next or if its available via Blockbuster or someplace let us know. I'd like to see it as I share the same blood as you, well you never know, at least the same as that coming from the same continent. jos… --- ## [Another AER Record at Ancestry.com](https://hansolo.top/t/another-aer-record-at-ancestry-com/10746)
**Author:** [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://hansolo.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [February 11, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://hansolo.top/t/another-aer-record-at-ancestry-com/10746 "2006-02-11T00:29:56Z")
Joseph, I think I had asked them to e-mail me the records since I couldn't navigate well enough to find them on my own, and they would only fax them or mail them. Emilie ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Puentes To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: \[ranchos\] Another AER Record at Ancestry.com Emilie Garcia wrote: \