I’ve just connected myself to Toribio Hernandez Arellano. Wooo hoo!
It was great to see your Wooo hoo! It’s Great that you have connected to our family tree.
I put many years and a lot of work into this research so the Wooo Hoo! Helps make it worth it. Check out what I posted on Isabel Mendoza Velasco
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Mr. Ricci,
I’ve been super busy this last week with school and haven’t kept up with all the posts. Is Isabel Mendoza Velasco, the same as Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza. is she the wife of Toribio Hernandez?
Danny C. Alonso
Many genealogists cannot agree on whether the information on Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza is that she descends from a Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, or that her father is named Diego Hurtado de Mendoza. I hope that those that insist that her father is A Diego Hurtado de Mendoza would present that evidence. Where is the evidence that her father’s name is Diego Hurtado de Mendoza?
This Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza Velasco has a father surnamed Velasco and the Mendoza comes from the maternal side, though the father also descends from the Mendozas. She does descend from a Diego Hurtado de Mendoza.
Look at the information that I presented. Has anyone come up with a better candidate? If they have, I haven’t seen it.
I thought that for New Years I would at least release a little bit of information from my book. So here is something on The Hernandez Arellano Sanchez’s ancestors.
The Jewish community of DAvignon, Barcelona, and part of Zaragosa was connected. These families intermarried often.They were of the house of David. These families were highly educated and were involved in commerce. and medicine.
In the D ’ Avignon community we find not only the Golluf family but also Michel Notredame’s paternal grandfather who converted to Catholicism, divorced his Jewish wife because she refused to convert, and married his third wife, the grandmother of Nostradamus. Many genealogists have a mistake in the family tree on his paternal side. The correct lineage shows him to be a descendant of the family that was part of the families that intermarried with the Gollufs.
Happy New Year,
R.A. Ricci
The Golluf were also vintners, both in France and Zaragossa.
Rick,
Thank you for your contribution. The Sánchez Dalmau is truly a very interesting family in the Kingdom of Aragón. I enjoyed reading the information you shared with us. I would like to remind all that this is only a theory and needs to be further researched. Rick is not saying that Toribio is the son of D. Miguel Sánchez Dalmau and Da. Isabel Fernández de Híjar y Arellano, but a possibility does exist as with anything. In regards to the timeline, family connections, surnames, and potential explanations, it is a very exciting and has opened more doors. I originally suggested many years ago that Hernández de Arellano is actually a compound surname and presented the theory that it was compounded by Fernández de Híjar and Ramírez de Arellano and it is nice to see we are all building upon each other’s research. If it helps Toribio and Isabel did have a son name D. Gabriel Sánchez de Arellano, who married Isabel Sánchez de Lara on 14 Feb 1584 in Santa María de los Lagos, daughter of Capt. Juan Sánchez de Figueroa and Elvira Gil de Lara. I can see a parallel between this Gabriel and the Gabriel Sánchez Paulu previously mentioned in the genealogy presented.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Dear Daniel,
I had spent many years working on the Fernandez de Hijar and the Ramirez de Arellano families without thinking that Toribio Hernandez Arellano descended from the Fernandez de Hijar . I descend from the Fernandez de Hijar, Ramirez de Arellano, Mendoza, Lomelin, Cervantes, and Alvarez from different lines. I had compiled lots of information on these families in my research without thinking that there may be a connection. I had also done a lot work on the Perestrello family but this blood connection has not been proven. In my attempt to find the connection to the Perestrello family, I amassed much information on the family and business connections. Even though the Perestrello blood connection has not been proven, the business connections between this family and the other families contributed much to my research.
But It wasn’t until you reminded me that the Fernandez and the Hernandez names were interchangeable in those years that the pieces of all these different family puzzles came together to make one giant puzzle. I continued researching, adding little pieces here and there, until this image of the family tree appeared. My research took a big leap forward with your contributions as i was en able to put pieces together. It is no secret that I took your conclusion that Toribio descended from the Hernandez and Ramirez Arellano families and built on it. I was fortunate and am very appreciative of your contributions to this work. It took another leap forward when Steven Hernandez, Manny Diez Hermosillo, and others, also added important pieces to the puzzle connecting more of the families. All of the families that I listed were involved in some way with each other so once I recognized that they were connected I was able to keep finding more and more connections. Connection after connection adding to the probability of Toribio’s ancestry. It is a theory that continues to gain weight as research adds more pieces to the puzzle. I believe that the family tree that I have presented for Toribio has moved from possibility to probability, but that is only my opinion based on all the data I have in front of me. Like you said, more research is needed.
More families that I have recently found to be connected to these families are the Velasco, Covarrubias, Acuña, Boccanegra, Nuñez, and the Martinez de L.
It does help that Toribio and Isabel had a son named Gabriel Sánchez de Arellano, who married Isabel Sánchez de Lara on 14 /Feb /1584 in Santa María de los Lagos, daughter of Capt. Juan Sánchez de Figueroa and Elvira Gil de Lara. Gabriel Sanchez De Arellano would be named after his great uncle Gabriel Sánchez Palau, the most famous of the brothers, who was a friend of Christopher Colombus. Christopher Colombus wrote a letter to him and sent it immediately to Gabriel upon returning from his first trip back from the Caribbean.
Do you have information on the descendants of D. Gabriel Sánchez de Arellano and Isabel Sánchez de Lara? I have Gabriel’s sister marrying Juan Sanchez de Lara, brother of Isabel Sanchez de Lara. So it’s another case of two siblings marrying another pair of siblings.
I have two maternal great uncles (brothers) marrying two sisters. My maternal grandfather and another great uncle (brothers) married first cousins. That last great uncle, the youngest of the four brothers, is the grandfather of Professional soccer player Isaac Romo who played for “Chivas” at one time. I was told by family members that Isaac married a niece of the owner of Chivas. Isaac and I are second cousins. Over fifty years ago when I was a kid visiting Guadalajara, I remember accompanying Isaac’s parents on a date to Parque Agua Azul in Guadalajara. Way back then many families did not allow teenagers to go on dates by themselves, they had to take along a third wheel. I was the third wheel a few times that summer with Isaac’s parents. Another grandson of this last great uncle was posted at the Vatican during the papacy of John Paul II. I don’t know if he is still over there. I think he was still posted there when they canonized Santo Toribio Romo Gonzalez, my maternal grandfathers third cousin (three times over). Many, many family members went to the Vatican for this event. I have a picture of the Pope with some family members.
Isaac’s father also played professional soccer for Irapuato for many years. A sister of Isaac’s father, my mom’s first cousin, played Volleyball for the Mexican Olympic team. Her boyfriend of six years stated that if she went and played in the Olympics in front of everyone with those short shorts that they were finished. He forbade her to go because of the picture that was posted on the front page of a Guadalajara newspaper that showed her bending down to dig out a shot. Her mother, my great aunt also disliked the photo and forbade her from playing. After much thought she decided to go to the Olympics and play anyway. She met the backup center of the Mexican men’s basketball team and quickly forgot about her ex boyfriend. They were a match made in heaven. Very happily married for many decades, in fact the happiest couple I have ever met. One of their sons made it to a minor league baseball team here in the states before an illness derailed his baseball career.
One of the reasons for not having finished a book on these families is that what started out as separate books morphed into one big book because of their connections, but became too big, and now has to go back to separate books..
Thank you again Daniel for providing big pieces to the puzzle!
Rick A. Ricci
Daniel and Mr. Ricci,
i’ve always enjoyed all of your theories and Daniel, I actually have a lot
of questions about some of the ones about some of the families I come from,
but about the Hernandez de Arellano family, i was wondering what you both
think the reason is that no one is named after Toribio. in the Romo de
Vivar’s theres a bunch of people named Diego and in the Martin de
Sotomayor’s a bunch name Andres, but in the Hernandez de Arellano family i
cant think of one person name Toribio, doesnt that seem strange?
Danny C. Alonso
Dear Danny,
The Diego were named “Diego Romo de Vivar”, the Andres were named “Andres Martin de Sotomayor”, and so on. Back in that century if you named someone after another family member it was the whole name. So when Toribio named his son Gabriel after his paternal uncle he gives him the whole name “Gabriel Sanchez”. He wouldn’t name him Gabriel Hernandez. The first name "Toribio " goes with the Hernandez line. I have found very few men named Toribio during this time frame. What is interesting is that three of them were surnamed Hernandez.
Another thing to consider is that The first Diego Romo de Vivar and the first Andres Martin de Sotomayor were first born that inherited the vast majority of the family fortune and titles. The first born held a lot of the status in the families. Sometimes the second and third born would have some status when there was a large fortune. But the youngest of the families often had little to no status and often didn’t inherit much, if anything, in large families. Toribio Hernandez Arellano would be the youngest born of parents that were themselves the youngest born of prestigious families. His mother was the youngest of her family, and being a female she held even less status than if she had been a male. She carried so little status that some genealogist have mistakenly referred to her as being illegitimate. Even though she married into the rich Sanchez family, it was to the youngest brother, and then he died when Toribio was young so they didn’t inherit much money or status from either family. Toribio’s name wouldn’t be a name that carried much status in the Hernandez de Xijar, Ramirez de Arellano, Hurtado de Mendoza, or Sanchez de Calatayud families. Toribio does seem to pop up with the Hernandez surname but I don’t know if it is just a coincidence or if there is more to it. The Toribios never seem to be the first born.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Many of the founding families of Nueva Galicia came from noble families. But most of them were younger siblings that did not inherit much from their parents. Many of their parents themselves had been younger members of their families. Many of these younger members had married convers who brought much needed wealth into the family. If the conversos were from the house of David it was easier to claim to be cristiano viejo as this lineage was considered to be Mary’s ancestry. The Pope even made a proclamation that they could claim cristiano viejo status. Even a king of Spain made his own proclamation regarding this subject . It was important to him as he too descended from converses from the house of David.
So what this means that the study of the genealogy of these founding families gets a little tricky as we cross the Atlantic because the families were under a lot of pressure to show cristiano viejo status due the turmoil of the inquisition. Tricky because most of the new settlers were younger siblings who inherited little, and many of their parents had themselves been younger children from large families that inherited little. In addition, many had one grandparent or great grandparent that had converso roots. These converso grandparents may have just converted or they themselves were grandchildren or great grandchildren of a converso. Life was much easier in those times if you were quiet about converso roots in the family so many times family records were destroyed to hide the evidence.
The Sanchez Golluf family is a public and private family as many members converted before the forced conversions while many others refused to convert until they were forced to. In the years between the free conversions and the forced conversions there was much turmoil in the family as their family had come from the highest class levels given to Jewish families. In the turmoil of the conversions was also the turmoil of some family members being rich while others were relatively poor. The religious status of the Sanchez Golluf went from the truly converted, to the lukewarm converted, to the combination of practicing both religions, to the faking conversion but remaining Jewish in private, to the Jewish that refused to convert. Since they were of the house of David, many descendants claimed cristiano viejo status, while others did not realize that they could claim this and suffered in the inquistion. After a big Scandal in the family, many of the family members moved to Italy, Portugal and other places. The ones that went to Italy became very successful when they became partners in a bank that they created and managed. The inquistion often tried to follow these families. Sometimes money and influence saved them torture and death. Some of the Sanchez family came along with the Cuevas And Carbajals to the Americas. After a few years the inquistion followed them over here to again accuse some descendants of keeping the Jewish faith or of converting too far and joining the Lutheran faith.
Mr. Ricci,
you mention that many of the founding families that came to nueva galicia were noble. which families have noble connections?
Danny C. Alonso
Hola Richard:
Hace tiempo estudié la familia Carvajal, pues desciendo de Don Juan de Carvajal “El Viejo” conquistador de México. Fue copiloto de Jerónimo Ruiz de la Mota en un bergantín en la batalla de Tenochtitlan.
La rama que pasó a Nuevo León es posterior, del siglo XVII, sin embargo parece haber existido alguna conexión lejana entre estas dos ramas.
Buscando encontré un señalamiento en el sentido que Don Luis de Carvajal desciende de los Señores de Jódar, Jaen, a través de un Don Álvaro de Carvajal, pero no se cita ninguna fuente.
¿Sabes si Don Luis desciende de los Señores de Jódar?
Saludos
Marcelina
Gabriel Sanches
mentioned in the record of Gabriel Sanches and Ysabel Sanches
Name Gabriel Sanches
Spouse’s Name Ysabel Sanches
Event Date 14 Feb 1584
Event Place Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
“México matrimonios, 1570-1950,” database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXF-YMS : 15 July 2015), Gabriel Sanches and Ysabel Sanches, 14 Feb 1584; citing Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,879.
I had previously posted the following paragraph:
“Dr Haim put the the piece that said our sanchez line descended through juan Sanchez de calayatud (Isaac Golluf) and not his brother Pedro Sanchez de Calayatud. I knew that Toribios grandfather Alonso Sanchez descended from Alazar Golluf but had originally thought that the descent was through his son Pedro. Dr Haim is the highest authority on these matters so if he says that he descends from Isaac Golluf (Juan Sanchez) then I will go along with him.”
The latest as of January 11, 2017:
Even though Dr. Haim is considered by many to be THE expert on Sephardic genealogy, I have been unable to confirm his statement that Alfonso Sanchez (II) descends from Johan Sanchez Calatayud/Isaac Golluf. Theoretically it is possible, but it is a tight fit and my original conclusion that the Pedro Sanchez married to Alfonsina Baron is Johan/Isaac’s brother is still a possibility based on the pieces that I have. I had originally repeated the information from a secondary source that Pedro the brother was originally named Jehuda (Judah). A more reliable secondary source, that contains accurate information that I have found elsewhere, states that the brother Pedro’s original name is Samuel Golluf, like Eleazar’s grandfather that lived in France.
What this leads me to believe is that there are two Pedro Sanchez de Calatayud, one the brother, (Samuel) and the other Isaac’s son Jehudah (Judah) who also took the name Pedro Sanchez de Calatayud. Due to the timeline I still believe that it is possible that our Alonso (II) Sanchez descends from the Pedro that is the brother. There is no question about the descent from Eleazar (Alatzar) Golluf as that is a given.
There are court records that will illuminate us as they name the members of the family and describe the disputes within the family. I just need to track down the location of the court records to find out for sure whether our Pedro is the son or grandson of Eleazar Golluf.
Until we find out for sure, I still defer to Dr. Haim as he is acknowledged to be the
World’s biggest expert on Sephardic genealogy.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Hola Marcelina/Fabiola,
Si es cierto que Alvaro Carvajal tiene parentesco con los señores de Jodar. Su hermano, y padre eran señores de Jodar, pero el no. Juan De Carvajal es pariente de Luis Carvajal pero no se la exacta relación. No te respondí inmediatamente por falta de tiempo. Tardo más en escribir en español cuando tengo que traducir lo que ya escribí en inglés. En vez de esperar más tiempo te mando la respuesta en inglés. Después te mando la traducción en español.
Juan Carvajal is called a relative Of Governor Luis Carvajal (el mozo) but I don’t know the exact relationship. He traveled at least a couple of times between Spain and Mexico. Juan was a soldier. He learned the Indian languages from his first trip to Mexico. He worked as a translator for Luis Carbajal. If he is the same Juan Carvajal that was a conquistador in Tenochtitlán then he must have been very young when he first came over. He was called “viejo” when he worked for Luis Carbajal, so it is possible, but I am not certain. What i do know is that this Juan Carvajal had spent many years previously in Mexico learning the Indian languages and that he had been a soldier.
[Luis Carbajal (el mozo) is also related to the Cueva line that I studied when researching my Garibai Soto. Cueva Pantoja line.
There is also a relationship to the Carvajals that are related to Ruy Diaz De Mendoza who is also my ancestor. This Ruy Diaz de Mendoza has a different ancestral family tree than the Ruy Diaz De Mendoza that most Mexican/Texan genealogists use. The two Ruy Diaz De Mendoza’s were related, and both left descendants in Mexico it seems, but genealogists have mistaklenly identified as sisters the daughters of the different Ruy Diaz De Mendoza’s so they then follow the ancestral tree of only one of them. The daughters of the two Ruy Diaz De Mendozas should have been identified as sisters-in-law instead of sisters. This error causes confusion as it seems one Ruiz Diaz De Mendoza had only one daughter. They are also not too distant cousins. The Ruy Diaz De Mendoza genealogy and my Cueva Carbajal Pantoja genealogy are a book in itself so I will leave that to my book.]
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Alonso Carvajal and Catarina Carvajal. Alonso is brother to Luis Carbajal señor De Jodar. Alonso and Catarina are parents of Francisca Carvajal.
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Francisca De Carvajal (d June 1558) married to Gutierre Vasquez De la Cueva. Gutierre and Francisca are the parents of Captain Luis Gaspar Núñez de la Cueva.
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Luis Gaspar Carvajal de la Cueva, capitán He was also known as “Capitán Luis Núñez De la Cueva” married to Catalina De León, (daughter of Antonio De Leon and Francisca Núñez. It is believed that the Núñez comes from the original surname of Nunez Cavalleria of the house of David. ) They are the parents of Luis “el mozo” Carvajal, gobernador del “nuevo reino de leon.”
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Luis Carbajal (el mozo) b. 1531 based on given age in a much later document) died in 1590 in Mexico. He was the first governor of New Leon (Nuevo Reino De Leon) in Mexico. What a nice coincidence that his mothers surname is also Leon.
The Carvajal Cueva family tree is difficult to unravel because many changed the surnames because the inquisition went after many family members. I descend from the Carvajal Cueva family. I also descend from other related lines through my Nunez Cavalleria and the del la Cueva Mercado lines.
Gracias Fabiola,
Ricardo A. Ricci
Mr Ricci,
In #3 you say, " Azach (Acaqui) Golluf and his wife Oro (daughter of Azach (Ishaq) Xaprut)“.
The last line of #4 says, " Alcazar Golluf and Oro Xaprut are the parents of…”.
I think I’m missing something.
Jaime Oceguera
Sorry about the mistake. The name that is in number 4 should have been blank. I have not posted her name or ancestry yet.
Thank you Jaime for pointing this out.
Rick A. Ricci
Hello Mr Ricci,
thank you for your reply and for clearing that up.
I have another question if I may. In the middle of #'s 5 & 6 the paragraph starts with this, " {Isaac has a younger brother Alazar “el menor” named after his paternal grandfather who is called “el Mayor”…", but isn’t their paternal grandfather Azach?
I thought Alazar/Altazar/Alcazar was their father.
I’d also like to thank you for something else. I thought I knew/understood a fair amount of what was happening to the Jews in Spain during this era. After reading your posts on Toribio’s ancestry, it sparked a greater interest on the subject. After further reading, ( I’m on my second book ), I realized I knew/understood very little, so thank you for that.
Jaime Oceguera
Dear Jaime,
I fixed that mistake in a later post: Isaac Golluf And Azach “el menor” Golluf are the same person. The youngest brother is named Abraham Golluf (aka Abran Gulluf) and he is the one that ultimately inherited his grandfathers assets. There is another Alazar in the family and many people confuse the two Alazars. It is because of the other Alazar that many people have made erroneous family trees. I clear that up in my book.
I have studied the Jews in Spain for many years, read many books, yet I am often surprised by interesting new information about them and what they went through. Last year I was surprised to learn that many Jews had family members become seminarians and priests so that the family would not get in trouble for being in possession of the religious text.
Another fact that surprised me was the turmoil within the Jewish community between conversos and those that stayed Jewish. Some of them became very angry at each other. Isaac’s brother in laws tried to poison him for converting. Many Jews that truly converted found themselves often accused of going to far and becoming Lutherans because they still were interested in studying scripture when the average catholic left the religious studies to the clergy. It is a subject that has much material to study.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
P.S. Go Dodgers!!!